How does it feel? Has it dawned on you that you are one of the first generation South African players competing for the Champions Cup? There's a trailblazing opportunity for you in there.

Yeah, I think the opportunity that this cup represents, I mean, the amount we get to travel, you get to go to places that play rugby in places that you haven't been before.

And I think that's the challenge, you know, going to places that it's tough to play at and performing week in and week out.

And, you know, to be the first generation, like you said, to be a part of that is special.

And I think it makes you, gives a bit of a hunger to try and represent, you know, your team and everyone behind it, and then try and perform and play good rugby and give your best every weekend, even though it's tough.

I

think it's quite interesting because, like you said, you go from playing URC one week and it's a different style of rugby and you travel over to England and to France and then you're facing something completely different.

I think as a nine and the type of rugby the Stormers play, it's quite interesting when you're analysing other teams, the contrast between the two.