Mm-hmm.

But back then, this is like back in 2005, you know, so I, I did my residency program there.

Um, and, uh, you know, sure enough, uh, you know, got a lot of cases, uh, uh, loved what I was doing, uh- 1,700 cases, uh, graduating as a, a resident.

Uh, some of them at the end we, you know, we didn't like all of them because- Right ...

this is, uh, I think, uh...

So, but, but that's, uh, you know, that was a unique experience for me, uh, because, uh, because, uh, not everyone was looking...

You know, academic residency programs, and not, not to say anything bad about academic residency programs, definitely not, you know, it's, uh, a lot of strength, strong academic residency programs.

Yeah.