He had some key insights on how we can navigate efforts to move away from fossil fuels while also halting deforestation, and how these two agendas can be stronger together than working in isolation.

Having two missions in front of you can sometimes also lead to distraction or counterproductive action.

relations between the two issues.

So how do we avoid putting too much attention to one of the topics or working in silos in a way that work done on fossil fuels or work done on forest is not necessarily mutually supportive? And how do we create spaces where we can speak to each other and collaborate, even if we are working across the two different topics? So what I will try to present is some ideas on how we can do that.

They're very simple and they're very intuitive.

And I think that's part of their value as well.

And by no means they're new to indigenous leaders and indigenous peoples who have been putting forward proposals that are focused on territorial protection.

But critically, it's one of many endangered areas.