[intro sound] This is Becoming Undone.

[tape rewinding] It was, it was tough, right? Because there were highs and lows, you know.

I was always a tweener, right? Like, I was, I was always a guy that was...

I didn't really have the, the, the stats of a Joe Tafoya or a Teddy Bruschi.

I had a solid year.

I was All-Conference.

What was your mindset in Canada? Did you feel like you had achieved long-held goals? Were you trying to get back and prove people wrong to, to make it into the NFL? Or w- where were you at psychologically with this, some would say, like, "I made it, but there was like an asterisk in my mind that I didn't quite make it"?

Yeah.