I wanted to talk about communication because Ian you mentioned this already but when we spoke to Kuntop back in January this was something he said would improve and then for a little while to a certain extent it did but then communication is still very much a criticism aimed at the club in the kind of following months after that interview how do you feel about the way that this has been or perhaps crucially hasn't been communicated to the fans?

Yeah, well, I think it just reinforced the view that it's the right time for them to sell.

I mean, I think you know, like I said earlier on, I think it's treating the fans with contempt.

You know, you put the football, you've gone through everything that we've all gone through together, you know, and they put a big thing on it being, you know, the Leicester City family and all that sort of thing.

Well, you know, to put the club up for sale and not tell anybody, refuse to comment when you spoke to them earlier.

I think that that's just really poor.

And it, like I said, it is just the end, you know, it's, it's, it's coming to the end.

How difficult is it to kind of balance in terms of that communication and separate King Power from Leicester City for you, Ian? Because actually Leicester City is the entity that's been put up for sale and is going to be bought, you would think now at some point, whereas King Power is the kind of overarching entity company are the ones that that kind of have put that up for sale

And then, was it the right strategy but the wrong time? Or, or, or how did you feel about this decision of his to defend that lead, that one-goal lead?

It, it, it was, um, when you consider that, um, Tuchel's somebody, Chris, that we brought in for his bravery, and we've, um, we've, we've given him a lot of plaudits on the fact that he's left a lot of people at home that people wanted to see in this squad that maybe now, in this game, in a game where you looked to us and we looked like we were struggling, we're defending deep, couldn't get out.

We didn't have no ball players to get us out and maybe get to the, to the f- to the wings where we could have hurt Argentina.

I think to see us, once we scored the goal, to only have 12% possession after that until I think Latino, La- Lautaro Martínez scored says that it was a kind of a negative play from my point of view, fr- from what I saw.

Um, and I think that, you know, Chris, you have to go back to, I go back to our final in the Euros in, at Wembley against Italy.

You know, we, we, we, we're in the game, you know, Luke Shaw, um, you know, and then we, we start defending.

You know, the same with, you know, even the Spain final, in the game, you know, we're doing well, Spain would come, then we start defending, and it's happened again today.

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equity and i know it's a really big place to start but i did want to ask you sort of like from your vantage point why you think taking that like gendered gendered lensed approach matters for sort of the social housing sector and for innovation in this sector

Yeah, I mean, get straight into it with a little tough question like that, Crystal.

Yeah, I mean, there's a number of ways you can sort of look at this.

I mean, for me, sort of, you know, equity isn't about treating everybody the same.

It's about actually giving people the access to it.

It's because not everybody wants to front something.

Not everybody wants to do, you know, the same as everybody else around that.

And I do just wonder if there was more of a push really for the sector to be more social, shall we say, in its purpose, then that would encourage the sector to take more risks and be a bit more innovative because we're not generally doing that i mean there's some fantastic organizations you know i don't want to tar everyone with the same brush as some fantastic people and organizations doing some brilliant things but we do have huge issues um around equity in the sector and i just wonder like what's what's gonna be the push to get us there and i do feel like it's an innovative approach that's needed which is why you know i wanted to chat with you like yeah we're Where will that innovation come from? What does it need, I suppose? What will it take to get us there?

What kinds of questions do you get asked most often at these events?

Probably the most commonly asked question is, "Where are the bathrooms?" Um, outside of that, uh, it's questions about, um, "Can you identify this bug that I've seen in my backyard?" Um, or, "Tell me more about these butterflies.

I'm, I'm curious what, uh, what are going on, which ones I'm seeing in my yard.

Uh, where can I find these insects?" Um, all kinds of things like that, and it's generally a lot of really good curiosity.

A lot of people are interested in bugs, want to learn more about some of the native species, and just maybe don't know...

They don't know what they don't know, so the more questions they ask of museum researchers like us or the UC Riverside, um, entomologists, they start learning a lot more and getting a lot more knowledge, uh, at a, at a big event like this.

It's a lot of fun to see.

If there's one or two overarching messages or lessons that you would like our listeners or our visitors here today to take away from, from coming to this fair, what would those be?

Are there other common items that it's in that you can share with us?

It's used as a treatment for clothes and furniture and car upholstery as moisture resistance.

It's often sold in outdoor stores, or it used to be sold, as something you could spray on your clothes to resist moisture.

Waterproofing, essentially.

So that's one big use, and the other one is non-stick cookware.

Absolutely brilliant material.

Resists heat, resists oil, but again, can break down and actually enter you- you know, our food chain as well.

Do you think that should have been included in the government's case?

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... and where we expect to be.

And what this team's been through in the last, with this season, the fou- this, this, now the, um, the fourth season, it feels, it feels different and more, and, and it feels special.

I don't know if it's 'cause I was playing, I was injured after that season.

I didn't have the same energy when, when we won it.

Obviously, I was absolutely ecstatic, but witnessing it as a fan and being amongst them, with everything we've been through in the last 22 years to get to this point, it feels more, it feels special.

It feels a lot special, a lot more special simply because we've come second so, so many times.

Thanks so much.

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...in the last three years, and you know, it, three seasons, and it looks like, [clears throat] excuse me, he's leaned into something from our past, parts of, of our DNA, which we all should be proud of.

One-nil to The Arsenal, take the three points, and get back on the coach, get ready for whoever's next.

That's where we are right now.

I'm not fussed about anything in the media.

We, we don't-- You know what? If, if you look at the start of the season, all these teams that we're gonna play now as well, Andrew, it's something on it for all of them.

Arsenal coming into a period where there's something on it for everybody.

...more games for Arsenal Football Club than you did.

And at a time when maybe there's an element of tiredness and fatigue to some of the performances, is this the kind of thing that gives you a bit of energy in your legs again?

Andrew, without a doubt, I sent you that message saying, Andrew, I felt something.

I think that what Arsenal fans have been, well, I can't speak for the Arsenal fans, but the ones I speak to, is that just some of them games where we could have maybe put them out of sight so we can have more of a cushion is all we want.

And yesterday, when I saw that Man City drew and then obviously we had to finish it off.

Something happened where I thought we're finally in a position at a stage of the season where again, now it's on us, right? City can't do anything if we just do what we do.

And I felt that last night for some reason.

And even when the guys were walking around celebrating, they had a different energy about...

Do you think this would be applicable to any other team? Or is it to some extent unique to us in the way that Arsenal are portrayed within sections of the media?

What was going on with you?

I just found it very hard to, to focus on what they wanted me to do.

If you had to write an essay, if you had to do maths or anything, it, you know, the teacher would have to spend a lot more time because I didn't quite grasp it.

My handwriting was really poor.

I wasn't confident with my reading.

And then I remember being outside the classroom, like, for the third occasion and Mr. Pigdon, when he walked past, you know, I wouldn't even look at him, you know what I mean? I was so scared of him because he was really strict.

And I remember on this third occasion, he looked at me, he looked down at me because I was seven.

(laughs) Yeah.