If you're Andy Farrell and you're trying to, to team and map out the, the next few me- uh, the next few weeks, is that almost the perfect way of, the perfect North Star to have to, to lead you off to the World Cup in a year's time?

Yeah, it's something, uh, about this Irish team that they're always, like, looking for goals or new targets to reach.

And as you said there, you know, it's like, to be the first team to beat New Zealand, like- That's, that, that will be held over them.

That'll be that little carrot.

And they don't really shy away from challenges.

They, they, they really, like, put them up on a pedestal, and they're like, "Right, this is our target.

We're going for this." Even when they struggled for the first two games in the Six Nations, and, like, it felt like the whole country, and media, and fans were all against them, like, he, he didn't shy away from that.

Keats, I imagine you obviously know Ollie decently enough over the last couple of years at Munster.