Do you feel like there are kind of established guidelines you follow through the Bible in your position, or do those ever come into tension with your own personal values or what you see happening in this community?

Well, as I mentioned before about respecting the dignity of every human being, I think that's the fundamental guideline.

And everything else that, uh, we might gather from the Bible, whether it's the Ten Commandments or some of the outdated, obscure Levitical laws in the Old Testament, it really comes down to respecting the dignity of every human being.

Uh, also in that framework, we are to seek and s- seek and serve Christ in all persons.

And as a Christian, if we are seeking Christ in another person, we would want to treat that person as we would treat Christ.

And so respecting the dignity of every human being starts with the human being who's in front of you and not starting from a position of where I am, not starting with my status and judging everyone against my status, whether my status is below or above somebody else's.

That is definitely where we have gone wrong in history, is that, um, people were judged based on the framework of the person's status who's doing the judging, right? Whether that's a politician or royalty or a business owner or a, a pauper, they, they use their status to judge themselves against other people, where we just need to respect the dignity of every human being from the get-go, and status doesn't really matter.

What do you think justice actually requires? Is equality enough, or do we owe more to people who've been historically disadvantaged?