With that said, do you feel like you're a seasoned educator, Ian?

Nope.

[laughs] Like, I, you know, I was thinking when I got invited onto this podcast, I thought, "I'm the perfect guest for this," because usually when you see, like, uh, teachers on a podcast or, like, on a TV show or interview or something, they're always, like, this super teacher who d- has this incredible system and everything, and they're just, like, teacher of the year for s- whatever state or whatever country.

And I'm just, like, the most normal ...

I'm, I'm pretty good, but I'm, I'm no super teacher, so I'm just doing my thing.

I mess up all the time, but I'm always learning more.

And even when I do good, I feel like I, I gotta do better, whatever I'm teaching.

Oh, okay.

Brown told me...

It all seems very rushed.

It could be a response to the Thursday public meeting that Beryl Crosby is driving.

She's one of the patients.

In the space of two days, we've fielded a dozen people interested in making claims.

The hospital staff are concerned about going to the meeting because they fear the hospital will send spies.

We are still worried that Queensland Health is going to do a whitewash on this.

Ian Brown told me that Beryl Crosby was keen to set up a patient support group.