that yeah that's totally fair it resonates with me for sure um I'd love to talk like about yeah like the creative process the songwriting process um and just like influences I mean I know we've talked a little bit about the influences behind I think you have a very specific like individualized sound but I'm curious like were there any records or like musicians specifically or anything that you were listening to when you were getting ready to record technocrats

yeah um references i guess for the record specifically let me i actually let me see if i have like a uh i will usually keep like a playlist or something that has a bunch of stuff that is of interest to me and i'm just curious like what is on here now yeah like looking back some of the I was listening to a lot of Friendship, the band.

They're from Philly.

Really great.

Have an amazing pedal steel guitar player.

And their lyrics, I really like the style of the lyricism and the vocals.

I was really drawn to a lot of people.

How did you get comfortable, I guess, with what to expect going in?