Yeah

...

in a way that, like, I just didn't.

Like, I didn't really assist.

I really entered photography through the event photography, photojournalism kinda world, and always wanted to do things that were more based in studio, but just, like, never had the opportunity or was never really trained in it.

And there's a huge barrier to entry there because it's like, if you don't know how to use those lights, like...

But also, like, Sam has really dis- demystified it for me, too.

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