Uh, eh, but when they kind of drilled down into that, asked follow-up questions, and then really showed them what farther meant, some folks were less inclined to say, "Hey, I'm, I'm not walking half a mile to my bus stop just so I can get faster service." So how, how do you present those trade-offs in a way where you get honest feedback from people that's, that's actionable?

Yeah, that's a really good question.

Um, I will...

What first comes to mind is one of my old coworkers at MARTA, uh, this is, uh, this is gonna sound like a odd comparison here, but we were talking about, you know, different transit modes and presenting those to the public.

He kind of told it in this way.

If you're...

You need to be, uh, rather, transit options should not be presented as Tinder does with people.

How else are you seeing agencies adapt to a post-COVID world?