But I think that dynamic of feeling this pull towards someone that you at once are fascinated by, but also repelled by in certain ways, I thought that push-pull was really quite interesting and really sort of spoke to the moment that I think we're all experiencing right now.

i think very simply it's like it's almost more pedestrian than anything again because it is a different proposition coming in at a point during which this thing this is a project that had been living claire again had been with it and and gabe had been with it for years before so they'd taken a few paths none of which really seemed to pan out and so one has a certain advantage coming in with fresh eyes to a process like that but again the compelling i call it the dramatic molecule that essential relationship felt it provoked kind of a fear in me in a good way, in a way that good things, it's not like, oh, you know, there was something not schematic at all about it, but we knew it would require improvisation and a certain music and a certain tone that had to be found.

And I think just as someone toward the end of my longest career, there was a relationship and the loss, I mean, having being as a father too, I think the whole fun of doing this, and I don't know if it's fun, I'd say the therapy of doing it, is being able to sort of imagine what a situation feels like, what it feels like to lose.

What does grief look like? How do you get to experience that dramatically? And maybe, you know, there's a salutary process for you as a writer and as a producer, hopefully for an audience, again, when they can experience something with the safety of somebody else's experience.

And it was like, I will tell you, I was transparently, fawningly excited.

And it is a unique thing because by and large, really, as Daniel has now discovered, you're mostly disappointed in other people's work.

People who have had high expectations, people whose work you've seen or read.

And you're like, wait, what's the disconnect? With Daniel's, it was like, holy crow, he's brilliant.