How were you comfortable with that?

I wasn't.

I just sort of looked at the situation and went, well, this is a bit of a bummer.

I'm just going to have to change and adapt.

My leg was amputated on the 29th of December, 2020.

It was a late Christmas present, apparently.

I said to my family, I don't get this.

And if you could sit beside Howard all those years ago who lost Andrew, knowing everything that followed and what you know now, what would you tell him, young Howard?

But we don't need a conversation, we need action and we're not getting it from the courts.

Well, the big difficulty we have, and this is something that has always burdened me, is that we rely so heavily on precedent and because our precedents in the past have not We have a situation where the DPP feel that when there is only a single murder, despite the fact that this was an offence committed whilst on bail, which is an extremely aggravating situation, the courts have found that a single murder on its own is not normally deserving of a life sentence.

And that's where we need to readdress the law and say, yes, This is something that we have to change.

We no longer have guideline judgments, but perhaps that's something that we need to look at.

How can we as a community explain that to Molly's son, Nate, to say, well, sorry, mate, but this bloke only killed one person, your mum, so he'll probably get a chance at parole one day?

Well, that's the real difficulty, because not only is obviously Molly's son been affected by this, but her entire family has been affected by it.

The community has been affected by it.

And one of the things that really concerns me is that.