So that was nice.

Yes, it's really important, this idea of fear.

This fear permeates a lot of people's lives.

So the life I grew up in, inside a high-control religious group, everything is all about fear.

You know, you fear any outsiders.

You fear what might be done to you because they're constantly telling you that, you know, the...

the authorities are going to come and get you and people are against you and they create a very victim persecutor mentality you fear that god is going to destroy you because you thought the wrong thought or you said the wrong thing you fear that you will lose your faith because you will be led astray there's so much fear but what i understand talking to clients now is that There's just as much fear outside as well.

So how did your experience with fibromyalgia and chronic pain, how did it change your understanding of your body and how did you survive that period?

Mm.

And I managed to, I t- I kind of sabotaged myself a bit.

I got out in a very, uh, desperate situat- in a very desperate way.

Um, and as I said, literally overnight, I was just out into the, onto the street.

I had nowhere to go because I didn't really know that many people.

Um, and no, no access to the family money, no legal support, no support from the government.

Uh, just, just completely on our own.

Mm-hmm