So what was it like, um, coming out of this experience?

[laughs] Uh, yeah.

So if, if the experience itself is like going down to the depths of your shadow self, like coming out on the other side is like shooting to the top of your best self.

That's how I felt.

I came out of it like, "Okay.

I'm here.

I'm not in danger.

And, yeah, I also asked Holly, "So what happened to your withdrawal symptoms and cravings after the ibogaine?"

Yes.

Yeah.

We, so Corey and I got in Thursday, and Tori Hunt and Joe, her husband, were also there.

That was their last day there, so we made plans to meet up with them over at Port Orleans Riverside to see Yee-Haw Bob that night.

And so we got over there, and we were watching the show with them, and surprise, Samantha and Salina walked in.

And I, I kind of had a hunch that Samantha might be coming.

I, like, there were a couple hints, but she kept saying she wasn't.

Okay

And walk us through the offer that you brought through the program.

Yeah.

So I started Launch Your Own Way with an email marketing program.

I had an idea to, um, do some sort of program where it had a, like, a module and course component but also a s- a support and community component as well.

So, um, I really wanted to teach people how to get started with email marketing with a freebie, uh, how to create an online freebie that will attract, you know, the right audience, um, but more so how to write really great story-led emails.

And so that was really the, the whole p- what the program was about.

Um, and so I, what I learned through Launch Your Own Way, which was amazing, obviously, by the way [laughs], um, was the importance of warming up your audience, the importance of always, you know, being generous with a, with your content and showing up, uh, for the people who are already in your orbit, as you like to say.

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm.

So it spreads so easy, and, and it melts so fast.

I- I've started buttering both sides of my toast, 'cause you know what? We're all gonna die.

I think you're right.

That makes me wanna watch it.

And for any of those, like, evangelicals or Christofascists out there, um, I just have to point out-

[laughs]

Um, I don't...

I think about this a lot.

I think I'm a mix between Jo and Amy.

Yeah

... it's just the story and the history.

Um, I went to Orchard House in 2022-ish, and it, it was just cool to, like, see in that house and how, like, it was just her life.

Like, it was just-

W- where did you grow up?

I grew up in Far Hills, New Jersey.

Uh, my grandparents, Millie and William Gaboury, raised me.

Um, I had a great childhood with them.

Uh, my mother was never around, and she's still not around.

So, but my grandparents on my mother's side raised me, and I had a great life with them.

Uh, I met my father when I was 18, and I sought him out, and we had a great relationship, uh, for seven years until his passing.

What happens next, if, if it's Mengele or, or, or whatever?

So you told me that every now and again you would get official-looking letters from debt collectors?

Yeah.

I mean, this is, like, several years later at this point, and, ah, they had paid everything off.

I had done my work.

I was doing my best.

Lord, Lord knows, like, I was not ever comfortable.

I was always a paycheck-to-paycheck kind of girl, but we were, we were managing.

She played a large part in the wedding?

[laughs]

Yeah.

Um, they were making fun of us, but they were definitely like, "You know, this isn't the wisest decision on paper." And I was like, "Yeah, but it's, like, the best decision for us."

... that was big for me, but, um.

Yeah, I think it was really fun to, like, lock arms in the first year of marriage, and, like, we are naive.

Like, life's gonna get hard, but it does feel like we can accomplish anything together.

Um, so that was kinda like being on the same page, was really, really fun together.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and I know, like, even down to my ankles, uh, 'cause I was wearing heels when the man punched me and knocked me out, so it twisted my ankles, uh, so we're still seeing if those are sprang or...

Um, you know, so it's literally from my ankles up to my head.

Um, my, my spine is horrific.

I haven't slept in days.

Uh, the last time I slept is when I went to the hospital for the second time when my throat was cl- uh, closing up, and I literally couldn't breathe because of all the swelling from everything that happened.

Um, the doctor said it comes, it's like a wave.

Mm-hmm.

She'd also moved away from home to work on a graduate degree, hers in plant science.

I definitely felt a little obligated to chat with him because to me, he seemed a little awkward, kinda...... like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.

So did Holly in fact let Bryan Kohberger know about plans to hike as he had asked? Uh, no, she did not.

There's not really a good explanation, you know, the universe intervened and for whatever reason just distracted me from further engaging in that interaction.

I just want her home.

I used to work at the Minnie Suvi Daycare.

I think it was definitely more than a job to her.

The kids were her number one priority.

I feel like the kids brightened her day.

Holly, who worked at the daycare with Melissa, believes her, so much so that she wrote this letter to the governor.

"From the time Melissa was arrested for Benjamin's murder, I have always thought she was innocent.

The evidence does not point to Melissa." I can only imagine how Ben's family is gonna feel knowing that I'm saying Melissa's innocent.

What's going on there with women at a club like that?

There are the women that come in just to have a good time. They're with their friends and it's funny and it's fun and they're just joking around and having a good time. Um, I did have regular females that would come in to see me. They were lesbians. They just wanted to talk and hang out and have a good time and they sit in, like, lower chairs. You give them dances, very strict rules, no touching. Some girls are stage girls. They enjoy stage. They look forward to getting to go on stage. I like one-on-one. I like talking to people. I like getting to know them. You go up to the guests and you talk to any guest that you want. If you don't feel comfortable with somebody, you can get up and walk to the next table. Um, and then we have a VIP section which is, um, more of an hourly type thing. So, people can pay you $300 an hour to go sit in the VIP. They can get dances the whole time. They can talk. I think I'm good at helping people to feel comfortable. I like eye contact. I like making them feel like there's nobody else in the room, it's just us. And then after I do the dance, I might sit with them and then we start talking and sometimes I feel like it's just us two in the room, and I feel like they feel that way too.

Strongest people in what way?

They have very powerful jobs, they work really hard, they are really big in their community. I have, I have one guy, he's a lawyer and every girl hated him because he's not very nice and it's insult after insult and I give it right back to him. That's been our relationship. We argue, we f- say bad things about each other, he gives me money and he walks out. One day, he comes in and he's telling me about this case that he had and he's telling me that he lost the case and I'm like, "That's because you suck as a lawyer." And I look at him and he's crying. "I was just kidding. You really don't suck as a lawyer. That's just how we've always..." And he's like, "No, I know. I know that's h- not tonight. Please, just not tonight." It took me by surprise. I never, ever would have thought this guy even had feelings.