And when that cloud comes and you feel like you go to a very dark place, and I know I've had that, I know lots of women do, that is a very difficult place to be then I think and getting out of that it's sometimes you just think wow what's

happening what's happening to me you know yeah um I mean there's two points that I just want to pick up on there um number one about about lifestyle and then secondly talking about those dark thoughts that you've mentioned which I think don't get get flagged enough um With lifestyle interventions, and there is this movement where menopause is seen as a natural process and therefore it shouldn't be medicalised.

And there's a great speaker and integrative gynaecologist, Dr Felice Gersh, who says, well, hurricanes are natural things as well, but it doesn't mean that we don't prepare for them.

And I think it's a great analogy because we don't have to just say one, you know, we choose one treatment path or another.

You don't have to just eat well, exercise more, think of your microbiome, reduce your stress, focus on your sleep.

Those things are absolutely vitally important.

But why can't we do that alongside also replacing your hormones? the sex hormones are just hormones like Insulin is a hormone that's deficient in diabetics or resistant in diabetics.

How are they a different person in front of