How has that definition changed? What does adventure mean to you now, sort of, you know, 10 years on from when we last spoke?

spoke?Yeah.

So for me, adventure now, and it, it is, it's definitely a different kind of adventure, is spending a huge amount of time on the front line with all-female and mixed anti-poaching teams.

And, you know, life is volatile, it's unpredictable.

It's a pretty scary place to be.

Generally, I'm out with armed rangers.

I'll be the only one that's unarmed.

I suppose for you to think forward, what do you want to happen? What, what are the goals over the next five to 10 years? What are the ambitions? What do you want to see?

Would you say that part of your life was of the, the main turning point for you?

Yeah.

So, uh, [laughs] it progressed on a little bit from skydiving, but I'll just finish on that point, Naomi.

Like, through doing the adventures, I realized these big adventures were a great platform to get global media coverage.

The media went crazy when I became the first woman to skydive Everest.

You know, only for, like, less than a week, you know, you're kind of hot property, and then they don't wanna know you.

But I got put in a hotel room in London when I got home, courtesy of the BBC.

So I- I'm just wondering how you, how you react to being in situations where there are loaded guns all around you.