[laughs]

He wasn't super willing to get on board.

And it was a counselor that I talked to long distance.

We lived in Colorado at the time, and the therapist lived in Utah.

So we got on the phone, and we met three times over the phone.

By the fourth time, Tim was actually willing to get on the call, and we...

That was our last call.

[laughs]

What did that actually look like day to day?

I bet a lot of moms can relate to the frustration of trying to pursue something that you're interested in, whether it's a hobby or something that brings in an income.

When you have little kids...

And you're trying to find the time to be able to do those things.

Yeah.

How do you balance bedtime and sports and school and homework and things that you need to do around the house with the things that you want to get done and that you need to get done outside of motherhood? And I think a lot of us struggle with...

Giving it all up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, it's time sensitive here.

Everybody's been waiting for me to get there, and everybody just seems like they're casual, just walking around.

Nobody comes to offer to really help, so we just, we load it in.

And, um, I talk with Janice right before, and, and I apologize, "I'm so sorry that I've got this date ra- wrong and you've had all these people standing here waiting and around." And she's like, "It's okay.

When I found out that the date was wrong, I, or that you weren't here, I just said a little prayer that Heavenly Father would work it out and we'd get it figured out.

And then when I found out you had the date wrong, I just prayed for you while you were on your way here that you wouldn't be nervous.

Yes.