So how did you get into triathlon?

So it was about 10 years ago, maybe a little bit longer.

I was actually 48 years old when I first started running for the first time in my whole life.

Like I never did anything athletic.

I, you know, literally was a couch potato.

I worked my butt off at work and I had my own business and all that.

But, you know, I never did anything athletic.

Well, after a 10K, I'm not sure my rotator cuffs would still be

That's amazing.

Long and short of it, he said to me, you know, he said, do you have like sinus issues? I said, yes, I do.

He said, you know, why don't you try getting nose plugs? I have a good feeling about this.

So I did.

And I went out and I bought these nose plugs.

I mean... you know, and I felt like a complete fool wearing them, but they actually worked for me.

And I was soon able to, I kind of caught on pretty quickly how to, how to actually, you know, do the strokes and all that.

Does that, is that kind of mirror your, like your attitude in life about kind of when things get tough, do you find yourself like, let's go and just kind of buckling down and figuring out what to do?