What was the first thing in your mind then?

Yeah, I mean, it's funny.

I really love making things and I love reading.

And I think that if you'd asked me what I would become, I would have probably thought I would become like a teacher of literature or if you just left me in a room by myself with art supplies, I would have become a visual artist.

I didn't even know that that was a career.

Isn't it so strange that as a musician from very young, I didn't know that there was modern art.

I didn't know about contemporary art.

But what would be your sort of do's and don'ts to put you in the best possible position? Yeah.