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I'm sure.

The third thing I would do is go and check out some of the stages.

The, the only reason I joined three years ago, three and a half years ago, whatever it was, was that, uh, John Wiener, who ran it, uh, convinced me that events could be good if the content wasn't sponsored, if you didn't just have...

Realistically, I know this is a podcast, so you can't see what I look like, but I'm a middle-aged posh white man.

If the stages are full of people who look like me, because those are the companies that get funded, therefore they can buy speaking slots, therefore they can go and pitch, all we do is perpetuate the same ecosystem.

The big news really is your brand-new podcast with Liam Cahill.