Mm.

And they were looking for an extra team member for the following year, and he knew that I'd done, um, the London Marathon in 2005.

So, yeah, it intrigued me, um, running with some friends on trails, which I'd never done, up steep terrain as a group of four.

Um, it sounded like a lot of fun.

And, um, so yeah, they invited me along to some of their training sessions, which we usually parked at a campground near Mount Nimmo-

Mm.

And you do need probably someone as the organizer or to be in charge, and someone who's probably second in command if that person's not quite with it.

So, um, you know, I went from not really having any leadership role to then having probably five of the Kokodas where people looked up to me and-