Structure, yep.

So to our point, right? Although those could be supportive- You know, I call them legs of a stool.

Of course, you have to stand, but maybe, you know, I-- as you said, there's might be something else going on, maybe not.

But it's worth checking into those things because they are going to help you.

So you could do the workouts to gazoo, but then if the next day, you know, uh, you've heard, had some workplace bullying and it goes into your neck and your, your workout didn't help you with that, then there's some disconnect there too.

So people need to assess, and this is what I tell people, that internet workouts are great, but if they're not your workouts because you need something else specifically for your lifestyle, and that's a place people sometimes, uh, get side railed because there's this Instagram version of what people sh- women should look like.

So we could go down that road too, 'cause that's another thing that feeds into the stress level.

Mm-hmm

many people think fitness is just you know all about losing weight especially where i'm from like yeah the moment you lose weight uh that's that's the old definition of fitness or and for the men it's about building muscle right so how do you define true wellness basically

Yeah, I think you've kind of hit the nail on the head there with, you know, myths, you know, fitness myths.

I think when I started my business, one of the things I was totally trying to do was basically dispel those myths.

And where do we get those myths? You know, we all know where we get those myths.

You know, you open up uh, the internet anywhere on the internet.

And, you know, you have, okay.

I think as human beings, we have to back up this whole conversation with, with one, one, one statement that as human beings, we cannot deny the fact that we like to look at pretty things.

So why do you think so many people, they underestimate its impact on their physical health?

on this

design that will create the results that I want.

You know, that's the least expensive route.

And so you're always thinking system-wise.

And, you know, to your question about the body as a system, you know, getting back to that, Yeah, the body is, from my vantage point, a system.

Because inside it are things that work.

Like bone is your foundation.

that's one of the things that they're said, you know, change the diet, eat more protein, get more fruits and vegetables, and don't change anything else.

2004?

Yeah, exactly.

So I started my official, you know, with all the stuff, fitness business, early 2000s.

So 2004 would be accurate.

So over 20 years in the trenches with the fitness business, actually healing clients.

So you got that right.

It's the long haul, not something I did on the weekend or anything.

But yet they're still going to feel, you know... that they're overwhelmed and maybe a little bit discouraged and maybe not ready to pick up the phone or go to the website or something to do action, what would be the first simple thing that you could recommend that somebody do to just simply begin to feel better?

It releases the stress pain, right?

It can sometimes.

The person has to be proactive.

They have to have regular practice.

They can't just be going through the moves.

They have to have to kind of... put their mind into it.

They also have to maintain a regular process of breathing.

So how long are we talking about for somebody that's trying to manage their stress, that's trying out yoga, meditation? In what period of time do you feel like after doing this repeatedly, you'll be able to overcome or be able to manage your stress and work on your physical health better? How long are we talking