Can we ask who the other three were?

I think it is open.

There was a consortium of the Berlin universities.

There was the University of Göttingen.

And there was a consortium of the universities Jena, Leipzig and Halle, who actually won this bid.

Yeah, yeah.

So this is the origin story of the IDIF, the German Integrative Biodiversity Center, which really had a fantastic plan, super application, and with all rights were the winners of this competition.

so in in back in 2008 when you were appointed were you already working a lot on biodiversity or