So how'd you get here?

Oh, that is a deep story, John.

But if you don't mind, maybe I'll step back a little bit even before getting into wedding photography.

So because I'm in the Bay Area, of course, I've worked in the tech industry.

So I actually come from a marketing and sales background.

I worked at Oracle.

I've worked at Lyft.

or even of wherever they are, like what kinds of things are you telling your students, hey, these are the things, this is where I would start?