What made you go vegan and, and was there a kind of epiphany for you as there is for so many people?

I always loved animals, and when I was, uh, mm, very young, I didn't realize, I didn't make the connection straight away, and as a, as a lot of vegetarians and vegans say.

Uh, but the connection that I did make between, uh, animals on the plate and animals that we see maybe happened at around the age of three, four, the-- I had a chicken at home, and the chicken would come to the door, would run to the door and meet me after school.

And then I had chicken soup at night for dinner.

And even though I didn't understand how the animals got on our plates, I made a connection very early that that's a chicken and that's a chicken.

So I, I started thinking about it very young.

Uh, and then I remember a moment when, um, uh, when I visited a family that was farming pigs, and they kept these pigs in a dungeon, and it was very dirty, and it was very crammed, and there were little piglets there.

What about the materials that are used in, in fillings, in implants, in, you know, the, the, the materials that you use on a daily basis?