The property portfolio that you still hold today, what kind of properties have you targeted within that over the years?

So I went to buy in Mayfield when it was still just after BHP actually closed down and so I was mainly buying two bedroom houses I could change to three or ones that didn't have off-street parking that I could put a carport on or it was just an old house and I could do a renovation.

So And then after doing that for a couple of years, I came across a property in Baroota Street that was already turned into one-bedroom flats and saw a huge market for one-bedroom accommodation.

So I kind of got interested in that and bought a couple that were...

Another one was like a three-bedroom house that had already been turned into...

I didn't want to do it myself, but the structure was already there.

So I just renovated them and I did... take a little bit of time in boarding houses because I was looking for a higher rental return because I didn't want to accumulate a huge responsibility in terms of negatively gearing.

And perhaps a little less stressed about the whole experience.