Heidi, would you like to tell the story?

Yes, happy to.

So Lorenzo and I were within the same university about two years or so ago, and I was leading on a leadership program for early careers program.

researchers called Ignite.

And Lorenzo was a participant of that.

And on day one, I went up and had a conversation with him, as I do, the way I met you, Helen.

And I just introduced myself and asked him what he did.

And I know that you've been thinking of some exciting and interesting ways to bring your book to visibility of potential readers.