So would you like to tell us about your career squiggle and how did you get to where you are today?

Yeah, I would imagine that I'm probably the squiggliest person that you'll interview.

So when I was when I was a young person, I was interested in sort of everything, which that should have like tipped me off that I was a writer then.

You know, but I was I was in love with every class that I took.

You know, I. was fascinated by biology.

I was fascinated by world religions.

I was a, um, a person that was really interested in environmental justice.

How is being a woman leader in sustainability at UW-Madison?