And it certainly isn't something they would expect to hear about from a financial professional.

Well, I mean, one of the most cost-saving things you can do is to frankly have a healthy marriage and try to stay married if it's possible.

And obviously a lot of times like mine, it wasn't the right move.

So we did get divorced.

But it was funny when I wrote the first book, the next chapter, I had a lot of input for domestic sources, had been to going to different study groups, one that was a legal psychological group that met every month.

And that was so helpful.

And that's really how I learned about discernment counseling.

So you say you have to remember it's business.