Heather, will you please tell us about yourself? Sure, of course.

So my name is Heather Cleary, and I was born and raised in New York City and was educated there kind of in this very provincial way.

I stayed in New York for university and then for my doctorate.

I did my undergraduate at NYU there.

In comparative literature, BA and MA, and then went up to Columbia to do a PhD in Latin American and Iberian cultures, as the department is called.

between those two moments, I had gotten involved with translation.

It was actually kind of at the end of my undergraduate career.

Yeah.

Heather, will you please tell us about yourself?

Sure, of course.

So my name is Heather Cleary, and I was born and raised in New York City and was educated there kind of in this very provincial way.

I stayed in New York for university and then for my doctorate.

I did my undergraduate at NYU in comparative literature there.

BA and MA, and then went up to Columbia to do a PhD in Latin American and Iberian cultures, as the department is called.

between those two moments, I had gotten involved with translation.

I

Heather, will you please tell us about yourself? Sure, of course.

So my name is Heather Cleary, and I was born and raised in New York City and was educated there kind of in this very provincial way.

I stayed in New York for university and then for my doctorate.

I did my undergraduate at NYU in comparative literature, a BA and MA, and then went up to Columbia to do a PhD in Latin American and Iberian cultures, as the department is called.

between those two moments, I had gotten involved with translation.

It was actually kind of at the end of my undergraduate career.

I was writing my honors thesis about, I think I was trying to write about detective fiction and it just wasn't coming together.

I

Heather, will you please tell us about yourself?

Sure, of course.

Um, so my name is Heather Cleary, and I was born and raised in New York City, um, and was educated there kind of in this very provincial way.

I stayed in New York for university and then for my doctorate.

I, I did my undergraduate at NYU, um, in comparative literature, a BA and MA, um, and then went up to Columbia to do a PhD in Latin American and Iberian cultures, as the department is called.

Um, between those two, um, moments, I had gotten involved with translation.

It was actually kind of at the end of my undergraduate career.

You touched a moment ago on, um, the significant gap in English language conversations around feminism, but there is also a, an ongoing conversation within the book about gaps in language in general for women to name and explain and claim, either for themselves or in conversation with another, their own experiences.

Because that was incredible.

Just to, just to add a tiny bit, um, sort of a texture to what you said, which is, which is perfect.

Um, I think there are certain texts, like Dahlia's and like Giovanni's, that, that it's part of their political project not to be intelligible, and I think the act of translation is also re- an act of respecting that and preserving that gesture.

So for a text like that, um, it really makes sense to sort of resist the urge to, as, as Julia said, sort of deliver, um, easy, easier digestible content.

And then there are other texts that aren't as grounded in that.

There are other texts that are much more focused on precisely sort of digestibility and emotional immediacy and flow and plot, you know? And there, there it might make less sense to...

You know, so, so it's not that, at, at least I think for myself, and I think this is true for Julia as well, like, it's not, like, a, a blanket politica, like, a blanket policy of not translating.

And yeah, so going back to what you were saying about thinking about audience and thinking about language, um, what is the hardest decision you have to make when translating, particularly, like, regarding cultural context versus readability? Um, are there some things that take a long time to explain into English that sort of remove the essence of the original? Do you have to get really creative with, you know? Or are there some times, like, words in English that just fail to capture Dahlia's, like, such strong Spanish voice?