So if I can sort of get in the time machine and bring you back to the past, and maybe you can sort of give me a bit of an understanding in terms of your background, where you grew up, your school, so I can get a real feel for you.

Sure thank you.

So I would say for someone who works in financial services my background isn't that common although I don't know that for sure but from my personal experience and that is that I come from quite a poor family sort of the lower end of working class and I grew up in I grew up in Norwich in Norfolk went to state school for the first part of my life and I just to provide context, because I think if you say, you know, like not wealthy or poor or however you want to describe it, people can think different things.

But for context, I lived in a household where we would run out of electricity, not have hot water, didn't have central heating, that kind of stuff.

So, you know, that end of the scale.

And I fortunately, I'm very academic.

And so although I went to some schools that were in more deprived areas to start with.

So when the second diagnosis, when that came, how did you feel? What was your emotion?