yeah i want to go myself you know of course i do robots might be better you know if you were to strip the emotion out of it i don't know that's the debate for another day but caves what we really are saying in this conversation is send people

Yeah.

And it's been interesting, actually.

COVID had a big impact on caving and cave exploration.

So in the US, we had this fungal disease called white-nose syndrome that bats got.

And we think it was brought over from Europe.

We're not quite sure how.

Why haven't we got these answers yet? What's the gap? Is it people on the ground? Is it time? Is it funding? Is it this access? Is it we need some robots to help us?

And finally...

We map the cave as we explore it.

So you can go to the end of the map, and if there's a passage there, you know no human has been beyond it.

It's like the last place on earth where you can go as a human and actually put the first footprint somewhere.

So yeah, that is like your no man's land.

You know, it's connected to the air in some way, right? Has climate change in some way affected the, the cave through CO2 affecting the air in the cave?

As far as air flow, you do see air exchange.

You know, the cave is at a lower pressure, and so what happens, it acts like a big lung and it just inhales.