What was the passion behind that? Is it something you've always been interested in?

So I've always been a creative person.

I've always liked to do art.

I did art in high school.

I did media makeup in college.

And then my career route kind of just went to whatever I could find, pubs, hospitality mostly.

And I've kind of job-topped through the years.

really because you have to walk all the way down the stairs