I definitely fell in the Trump trap a little bit, but I need to view it analytically, you know, be honest about it.

I mean, look, I've and this is it's it's funny because during Biden's presidency and maybe you saw this online, I would say often I think he's one of the most effective presidents in modern American history.

And I would get shit on.

Oh, yeah.

So bad.

Everybody would trash me.

And then I said it on Bar Fight with Michael Knowles and I posted on Instagram and a lot of people were like, you know what, actually, maybe.

What was it like? It must have felt unreal being senator.

Yeah.

And you just kinda get the sense that if you, he had asked her, like, "Hey, can you explain your support for X, Y, Z?" She would've given the same answer she gave at the debate.

And I, I get the sense that the president is not too invested-

Yep, yes.

I have spent a lot of time reporting at the border, where what I hear time and time again isn't just frustration with immigration enforcement, which of course is an issue in Texas, but in a lot of the constituas- constituencies that Trump won, the primary issue is once again the economy.

It's this notion that the tariffs absolutely decimated trade at the border, decimated construction, which was huge in a lot of the communities that swung for Trump in 2024.

What you're seeing in Texas, and you see it in the way Abbott doesn't really show up to campaign, Ken Paxton also historically has never had to aggressively campaign for a seat.

but in which everyone understands that their words will be used to tar each other, you know?

Yeah, I mean, I, I have, like, two immediate thoughts, which is, number one, I, I say this to people behind the scenes and sometimes publicly.

It's that, you know, if somebody's, like, DSA adjacent versus somebody's a moderate, for the most part, those people are all good people.

Like, they're not trying to destroy the Democratic Party or, or infiltrate it or make us all lose or whatever.

They're just people who want what's best for their neighbors, their family, their friends, and they just disagree about how to get there.

So I think it's important to have, like, a humanity aspect of that debate, especially when we're de- debating on the Rep- on the, uh, the Democratic side.

But also, the debate is just so stupid.

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At least one board member said she was not given advance notice that it would be brought up on Thursday." Why do you think they did that? Like, did they actually just, you know, pull this out of thin air at the last minute? Were they afraid of leaks? What's your best theory?

I- I mean, look, I think Donald Trump is doing this for the same reason that he's doing the Reflecting Pool, that he's doing the ballroom, that he's doing the monuments.

I think Trump, and I'll say this bluntly, is a sad, pathetic, and weak man, and his greatest fear is being realized.

If the Democrats sweep the midterms, we take the House and take the Senate, God willing, uh, he fears irrelevancy.

He wants to be the star of the show, and after that, he won't be anymore.

We'll be focused on the midterms.

We'll be focused on investigating everything that Trump has done.

So what do you think it would actually take to get this construction to stop?

Do you think that there's a way that they can correct this? 'Cause in my view, it doesn't seem like he can, he can get there 'cause he's not acknowledging that there even is a- an, an issue when we see him say things like affordability's a hoax.

Yeah.

I mean, well, that, and that's the thing.

And, uh, you know, I ...

And Donald Trump has never been a, a great course corrector.

You know, he's always been a, "I'm right, you're wrong, and I'm just gonna do it my way and hope it works out for me." That's always been Trump's thing.

Sometimes it's worked, most of the time it hasn't, and I don't think it's going to work now, and I don't think he's gonna change.

But what, what does it say about the Republican Party that behavior like this isn't automatically disqualifying, and we don't have more people calling for him to resign?

Then he said it was a hoax and I, I don't know what to make of this stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know what to make of it anymore either.

I mean, you know, as you mentioned, we went from before the 2024 election, affordability is the most important thing.

We're gonna focus on gas prices, inflation, grocery prices, you name it, we're coming after it.

Now Donald Trump seems to be far more interested in, well, the ballroom.

Uh, you know, with this reflecting pool's still green, we need to tackle that.

Those things are very real issues to Donald Trump.

Yes.

yeah you know harry he he keeps trying to find a justification for what's happening over there he keeps pretending as though the us is somehow going to eventually eliminate all of iran's nuclear capabilities and their ambitions and and all of those things and those things are just not going to happen

Yeah, I mean, and international experts agree.

People who, you know, could actually point to Iran on a map, unlike Donald Trump, agree on this.

There's consensus across the board that this war, it's the dog chasing the mailman.

You're never going to catch it.

There's the goals that Donald Trump has set out and they've changed a lot over time.

You know, it went from one explanation to the next and the next to the next.

But if they stay home, that's not good for the Republicans.

Yeah

...

he is far more interested in partying and going to sporting events, he was also at his club in New Jersey before this, before the World Cup he went to, um, than he is in governing.

I mean, we have three American soldiers dead as a result of this war that Donald Trump has continued and prolonged.

Their families just got the worst possible news that you can receive, something that I wouldn't wish on any American out there, and Donald Trump's response is, like, a couple of comments to the media, and then he's off partying at the World Cup, and he's trying to be part of the celebration.

It is a slap in the face of every American who's been injured in this war, and it's certainly a slap in the face of every American who has died in this war and their families.

He doesn't care.

Yeah

What will you be looking for in this confirmation hearing tomorrow with Todd Blanche?

Well, I hope the Democrats throw the wall at him.

I hope they go all in.

I hope they talk about the Epstein files, the ongoing coverup.

I mean, Todd Blanche has been claiming in interviews that all the files have been released.

Survivors are saying that that's not the case.

There are a lot of evidence out there that still hasn't been released about, uh, Epstein and the files.

Do you think it's effective, basically, for Democrats to, to get ahead of this, given that we don't actually know what Trump is going to, uh, try to convince the American people of?

Right

... you have a, a, a, a place in the Democratic Party.

We will welcome you, and then we can figure out the little differences that we have later.

We are a party that will focus on these working people and people that need us most, whereas Donald Trump, as you guys are articulating, is making billions of dollars off of cryptocurrencies.

One of the most sickening facts to me right now is Trump himself as an individual made more money from cryptocurrency than some of the largest crypto firms out there.

That should not be the way that our democracy works, and if you stand against that and if you stand with things I just articulated, come on in.

We can have a big tent.

It's, it's become a label, and I don't know whether it's good marketing or bad marketing, but it's, it's actually fairly m- in, in many cases, what they're arguing for is, is, is fairness.

Mm.

Most people just care about their family, their jobs, their communities, and they call out stuff like this.

Unfortunately, on social media sometimes, and especially with highly sensitive cases like the ones we're talking about right now, the loudest voices in the room often get amplified, and they are seen as the prominent driver of the conversation.

It just couldn't be further from the truth.

So whether it's Carmelo Anthony or Luigi Mangione or, you know, there have been, uh, Republican-led, uh, fundraising campaigns.

There was a woman who said the N-word, I think it was in Minnesota or Wisconsin, that got, like, a million dollars from that video that went viral.

They are from the left, right? Do you believe that that is just a minority aspect of the left and it's not a widely held belief?

Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

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... um, poor is what I'd say.

I mean, look, I mean, there's no way to describe it succinctly because it's a complex situation because it was entered into as though it wasn't going to be complex situation, right? The president, the administration said, "Oh, look what happened in, uh, when we tried to get Nicolas Maduro.

We went in, went out, we did it, it was perfect.

Let's do the same thing in Iran," and it has not worked out that way.

Uh, and so what we have is we have not a ceasefire, but a stalemate, and the stalemate is going on indefinitely.

Uh, and it doesn't seem as though the administration has a plan to get out of the stalemate because it doesn't seem as though they had a plan to get into the conflict.

Sure

Uh, but just to give people a little sense of your background, how did you even come to be doing this and then amass these, like, massive followers, uh, across all platforms on social?

Yeah, I started this, um, when I was 17.

So I, April 4th was actually my six-year anniversary, so I've been doing it for six years now on different social media platforms.

And I started when I was 17, I was a junior in high school.

COVID had just shut down everything.

I was actually working in local government at the time.

I was working with my state senator, my local councilwoman.

Mm.

Is Trump key to it somehow?

Yeah, I, I think Donald Trump is entirely responsible for this culture of violence, this culture of, uh, extreme views on the right.

And I think about, you know, I think back to like 2008, which was not all that long before Donald Trump really got involved in politics, and I think of that clip of John McCain, who's speaking to a voter in the crowd, and she was saying something along the lines of, "I'm scared of Obama because he's a Muslim." And he takes the microphone and says, "No, no, he's a good family man.

You have nothing to be worried about.

We just have fundamental disagreements." That is only eight years before Donald Trump got involved in politics.

Fast-forward to him, then we have people invading the Capitol.

We have people targeting Democratic officials.

Uh, but why are they so fixated on the ballroom, especially as a response to this shooting?

Yeah.

I think it's just one of those things where that is especially hard to communicate to people, and I think especially hard to, uh, get people to care.

I mean, there's so much chaos happening in the world right now.

You're trying to think about Iran.

You're trying to think about the Epstein files.

You're trying to think about all these different issues, your, your mortgage, your, your education, your debt, and then you need more information about, like, you know, FEMA or, or the DHS, and these nominees and their backgrounds.

It's a lot of information for your average American to consume who's already so busy.

Terrible

What's your, what's your argument?

Uh, I mean, look, what we've seen from Donald Trump in the past, whatever, however, six months or ever since he got into office, has been nothing short of gross.

And this is a serious...

We're, we're having fun, but this is a serious topic, right? We're talking about kids, women, and even some men being abused.

Um, you know, he never wanted the files to come out.

When there was the discharge petition, he was calling up Lauren Boebert and all the Republicans and telling them, "Don't put your name on it." And he was threatening them, essentially, and that's even what Lauren Boebert said.

She's still in Congress.

You don't care about Donald Trump being a convicted felon.

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Um, it's just total bullshit.

Um, and I really appreciate that, and I think, uh, that's kind of the way we have to approach it.

I think going into 2028 or even 2026, there should not be a single Democrat who takes money from AIPAC, um, if they wanna win.

If they wanna win.

I mean, you know, they can, they can do the risk-return, uh, calculation in their head as, you know, "I can take this money and put X amount of advertisements out," but it is so toxic for the brand now.

Um, and for them to then...

But the ones that are in charge, I'm just like, what can we do to get them to not be in charge?

You can't do both.

No, no, to that, yeah, right.

The right-wingers were watching college football as libs were going in our Teslas, or I should say electric vehicles, to Planned Parenthood to get abortions and things like that.

That's right.

Um, but yeah, no, I was, I was, it was Alabama-Tennessee they were playing and, uh, I had a friend of mine send me the Truth Social link, which is really weird.

I, I, like, never get links f- to Trump's True Social post unless it's something insane.

I'm just, I'm like, "Okay, here we go." And they said, you know, "I think this is you in the president's video." And it, you know, we all know Trump is crazy.

Yeah.

Okay, fine.

So I haven't deleted any of those videos.

You can go see all the videos, all the tweets I've, I've posted in response to Charlie Kirk.

Now, uh, you, you keep talking about political violence, and we have study after study that shows that more political violence comes from the right wing, especially in modern American history, than it does from the left wing.

So, even if you just want to ignore the data, question for you, when Donald Trump mocked Paul Pelosi getting beaten over the head with a hammer, was that okay? When Donald Trump Jr.

did the same, was that okay? When Mike Lee, senator from Utah, mocked the murder of Melissa Hortman and her husband in her home on Twitter, was that okay? When Donald Trump didn't lower the flag for Melissa Hortman after he did, of course, for Charlie Kirk, was that okay? When he was asked about Melissa Hortman, he said, "Who is that?" He didn't know who Melissa Hortman was, didn't even attend her funeral like President Biden did, former President Biden.

So, these are examples of political violence.

Okay.

Yeah.

... uh, was just disbelief.

I think, you know, seeing this, uh, like, like, what we're watching right now I could just never imagine coming from a President of the United States, or, or any elected official.

And yet, this is, this is real footage that he posted on his official social media page, dumping feces on me, other protesters, the American flag, as you saw, uh, in that clip.

Um, but just stunning.

Just stunning and, and immature and childish and disgusting.

And, uh, I'm still in disbelief that this is the, the reality that we exist in right now.

Yeah.

I think he should be a little bit more cognizant a- about how the country, um, is really feeling about his policies.

Yeah.

I mean, you'd think, right, for somebody that's in politics, you'd think that they'd want to appeal to the most amount of people possible, but I think our argument on the left just got a lot stronger over the past 24 hours.

And I actually made another video, a follow-up video in response to this, making the point that I think Donald Trump just proved us all right with what he did in JD Vance's attack on me.

Our point at the No Kings Protest is that Donald Trump's an authoritarian, he's not a serious person, he doesn't care about this country, he doesn't care about you.

And when he's posting childish AI videos of him attacking me, attacking millions of other, uh, uh, peaceful protesters, Americans who are using their First Amendment rights, I think he's proven what we've been saying about him for years now.

And so, unintentionally, I think Trump actually kind of did us a favor with this whole disgusting story.

And so now you have millions of people who are finally saying, "I'm fed up," and I think that this gave them the confidence to continue to push back, um, and, you know, oppose, um, going forward.

We're gonna stick it to you about your guy, even if there's very little substance for it"?

No, I don't necessarily think it's that.

I think it's a combination of things.

I think that, you know, folks like myself who supported President Biden just remember how people like, uh, Sean Spicer on this panel treated President Biden during his four years about his health.

We don't forget that.

We are remembering that, and it's just interesting to see someone like Sean hold a completely different standard.

If Biden disappeared for a week, regardless of a holiday weekend, if he had bruises on his hands, swollen ankles, he's walking weird, he has these weird clips where he can't even identify the president of Finland who's sitting in front of him, I imagine that Sean would be on your show calling for Biden to do a press conference right now for medical records to be released.

Yeah.

Is he verbal?

[laughs] You know, I have a, I have a friend that had a class with Barron, and, uh, it was like a math class, and I guess on a midterm he did really poorly, and he announced to the class, like publicly, he got a 40% on the exam, and like slammed it on the table.

Now, I wasn't there to witness it, I just heard this.

Why are kids now associating themselves with that?

Well, 'cause their, their role models are saying it.

So, you have people like Elon Musk and Trump.

Like, Elon's the richest person in the world.

He has his own companies.

How the hell this guy get into the White House briefing room to ask these questions?

You know, it's such a good question because when I think of the White House press briefing room, I think of folks like yourself who are qualified.

I think of folks like Caitlin Collins.

I think of these really, really great journalists who have dedicated their lives to finding the truth.

Not, you know, what a party says, but the truth.

And then you pan, you know, barring the Fox News people, and you see Tim Pool sitting there in his zip-up hoodie, his beanie, and he's asking the most absurd questions to Caroline Leavitt.

He got the first question of the day.

But your thoughts?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um, bro people, I'd say, well, first of all, I agreed with Cameron's point that, like, I don't think any of these college dudes who are, like, going to a school with a fraternity, they're partying every weekend, I don't think they wanna take care of a kid right now.

I don't think they wanna go through the legal trouble of also having a kid be carried to term and then the battle that comes with that and the child support that they have to pay.

I, I think that they wanna be able to go to their finance job and make six figures a year and be perfectly fine and not have to worry about that.

But I'd also say for a lot of these guys that, like, you know, Trump told you he was gonna be good for crypto.

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