It's often, as you know, in your role at Optimal Stormwater, there's a very s- stark contrast between, uh, modeling and reality.

Mm.

Yeah.

Well, funnily enough, like, well, yeah, my boss, Murray, a big wealth of knowledge.

Um, I've learned a lot off him and funnily enough, we've never really touched MUSIC modeling.

I know recently we did a bit of a project where, um, a bioretention basin wasn't working out in, um, Western Sydney, and wasn't working because of the cost of maintenance.

It wasn't working because it's such a sensitive little small environment, they couldn't get it to go right.

Mm-hmm.