i love that how did you start the businesses which one came first what was your background give us all of the juicy deets

well it's okay it's quite long story I've always played music started the clarinet when I was like nine or ten I think and then no younger than that because I started the harp when I was ten and played them both to a very high level always knew I was going to be a musician there was like there was never any discussion really about that so when I was 17 I went off to music four years there, which was intense, to say the least.

It's like not a normal degree.

You are in nine till nine most days.

Yeah, it's a lot.

And then you have to do all your own practice and studying on the side of that.

But it was amazing.

That's crazy.