Like, yes, celebration, awareness, it's all lovely and wonderful, but we always have to remember why, don't we?

Absolutely.

I think celebration and experiencing joy and love are so important in all this work because, quite frankly, when we think about some of the negative things and harmful things that happen, it can send us into a spiral of a lot of doom.

But where celebration on its own can sort of fail is because when it becomes tokenistic, if people haven't quite understood why it's still relevant today, and are not necessarily doing the work within their organization systems to allow people to feel like they belong in the, the very essence of the day-to-day of the work that they do.

And that's not just rewriting a policy, but also creating cultures where people can feel comfortable being themselves, asking difficult questions, speaking up without the fear of repercussions.

So celebration absolutely has its place.

Being, allowing people to celebrate the joy of who they are and celebrate the stories, or think about the stories that got us here from ancestors, from, from history is so important.

So in the work that you do, Haroop, is that like a common theme and something that always comes up, would you say?