So what got you into carpentry and into construction, I should say, into construction work?

Yeah, so...

Again, my dad, being a farmer, his parents were farmers.

They kind of got away from that a little bit when my grandfather died.

He died before I was born, so I didn't really know him.

So they kind of closed up the farm and they turned it into apartment buildings.

So there was like eight apartments in there.

Okay.