The crux of it all? What made you go, right, this is it?

Yeah, it was really hard.

So...

I think we were just saying then about knowing but not doing anything about it.

I was always going to have to get to a point of it.

For probably the last two years, I was in a place where I knew how bad it was, but not one single thing yet out of those spinning plates had fully crashed.

Like I was losing jobs and getting them back.

So was it like, right, I'm fucking doing this?