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Yeah.

Take a look.

I think we're really seeing here, um, w- w- w- what, what has happened, um, because the field has really been, uh, influenced so much by gynocentrism and by feminist ideologies in here.

Th- this is exactly what we would expect to happen when ideologies clash with facts.

We're seeing this, exactly this happen to postpartum, uh, psychosis, and, um, this reaction we're seeing now on social media where women are, uh, hurting their own children to, to signal, uh, "Look how much we are suffering under motherhood.

Uh, we are all Lindsay Clancy," throwing water on their babies so they're screaming.

Like, "Look how common it is.

But for the people that really haven't played along too much, can we just start at the beginning for a moment?

Yes, of course.

So we're following, uh, Lindsay Clancy, and, uh, the facts are that on, uh, January 24th of 2023, uh, she sent her husband on two errands to create a window of about 20 to 30 minutes where she then took, uh, she had three kids, she took each one into the basement and strangled them, uh, each with a, uh, with an exercise band fitting their size.

And then, uh, she proceeded to, uh, cut, uh, her wrists shallowly and jump out the second story window and was paralyzed from the waist down.

And she claims in the aftermath that, uh, she heard, uh, commanding male, commanding voices, uh, telling her to kill the children.

And what we know is that she was, she was in treatments for, uh, four mon- the four months prior.

Uh, she was, uh, diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder and sleep problems.

Can you explain that? Can you explain that a bit more before we move forward? Yeah.

Spear, I would love for you to dive into what this season really should look like in terms of human connection and support to help women, yes, navigate what is a more vulnerable season naturally, but what is actually a good season and how children actually help to strengthen and grow us as women?

Yeah, that's such a good question.

We have decades of research that shows with strong family bonds, that we have consistent caregiving, and most importantly, this sense of meaning in motherhood, that they are very, very powerful in working against this psychological distress.

And when we become so atomized, we used to live much closer together.

And women are evolutionary primed to child-rearing in groups.

We're not supposed to be alone.

Our whole set of behaviors really rests on this child-rearing in groups.

What do you think these beliefs and attitudes are and how are these problematic, especially from a psychological perspective?

And she cuts to why this is concerning, especially for the formation of our character, especially as people of faith dr speer these social media videos have evolved over the last really 15 20 years it used to be that people would just share their woes online sharing things that they normally wouldn't tell and then later on you started to see almost this glorification of hey i wear a badge of honor i attempted suicide or here's how i thought about it or here's how i am thinking about it And yet, what's really behind the trend? What are we actually seeing? Is it that social media is just a way for people to get a lot of attention as they're also suffering? What do you see more deeply going on?

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right that it is a way of getting attention.

But now, because suffering is so important, pronounced suffering, is how you get social status because we've grown this victimhood culture.

And it's sort of having a mental health label is at your fingertips.

If you're not a person of color or if you don't have a physical disability or something that will then now in this sort of modern culture grant you victimhoods to anyone.

Your hero, your courageous.

Yes, yes.

I think that high functioning dimension, you know, I think you have a lot of people, especially among women who are engaging this where maybe they're getting up, they're going to work every day, they're engaging with other people, but there's this high function that's occurring put behind the scenes there's this severe depression that's going on so people sometimes end up shocked later on when they realize oh this is what was going on connect that to the social media trend

What's your reflection on that from the inside?

That's absolutely correct.

We're all feminists in Norway.

We're all very egalitarian, you know.

It's the egalitarian superpower, and they pride themselves on that.

And it's very set how you should live your life, and it's...

So I came out of there having lofty ambitions and having been very much encouraged to go to medical school and become independent and financially independent.

Just for those watching, what do you mean by cluster B?