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I would love for that to be more broadly recognized, because those are the people who are making the change, and those are the people who are always growing and learning and have that adaptive mindset that is so necessary, especially because we are living in a world where the foundational problems that we're working through every single day are rapidly evolving before our eyes in ways that escape our ability to keep up with them.

And it's, you know, the vulnerability to acknowledge that, I think-

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... you're doing a great job because even- ... talking about all of this is so helpful and makes it so much less daunting for me as I inevitably step into that chapter, um, of my life.

And I think that I remember you were saying that when, um, y- you, you remembered once that Nana, your mo- my, my grandmother, would-- You always had this perception she had it all together, and she, one time you asked her about that, and she said, "You never saw all the hours I spent in the shower crying." And I think the fact that you are so, like, honest about how much you don't know is really refreshing.

You were saying people in a leadership role and decisions.

I think often what happens in these relationships is that...

The longer that you're in them and the further you get in both the relationship and your life more broadly, be that in your career, be that in your family dynamics, the more you have to lose.

And I think that it's one thing to recognize and leave a harmful relationship when it's just you and that person, but it's far more challenging down the line when you've got children involved that you've got to consider.

There are implications perhaps for your work life, your economic security and things.

And that can kind of feel far more momentous.

And it certainly is, especially when you're thinking about kids than when it's just you and another person.

Hannah, can you share with our listeners and people reading the show notes here? about what you've been doing, what you've been discovering, and hopefully other countries will be inspired to pay closer attention in the work that you're doing in Australia.