If a- an aid agency or an NGO is found to be in violation, what would be a violation? Funding a women's clinic which provided reproductive health advice? Would that be one?

The problem with this policy is the ambiguity that's really built into the design of it.

I spent a lot of time reading through the policies, reading through the quite detailed FAQ.

And some of these answers are really not clear.

And that, in my opinion, underlines this risk of organizations, for lack of clarity, preferring to rather not touch something at all.

Currently, based on my interpretation and also what I hear from other entities' interpretation of the policy, yes, everything that's relating to sexual and reproductive health seems a bit more off limits.

Um, there are certain topics that are generally considered more appropriate in context with US donation conversations.

I see parallels with the media actually here, this chilling effect.That once you get pressure, political pressure about a particular subject, we can think of plenty of them, uh, the Middle East is, is the, is the big one at the moment, that you start thinking, "Well, maybe we'll just leave that, that topic alone 'cause we know we're just gonna get in hot water for it." And you fear the same could be happening now with programs that directly target women's health or reproductive health?