And what did each of them teach you that perhaps a classroom couldn't or didn't?

Yeah, I was really fortunate actually to have had a lot of involvement with my grandparents in my upbringing.

My mum had twins right off the bat, which anyone who knows having multiple children is a lot.

It's a whirlwind.

And my sister and I were both very outgoing, bubbly children that had a lot of energy to burn.

And so my grandparents were fantastic on both sides of the family in really kind of stepping up and helping out where they could with navigating two young children and then my brother came along four years later as well.

So I was really fortunate my dad's mum Pamela used to pick us up and help with kind of looking after us as young kids.

When though did I guess you realise that your own family was like a bit of a live case study for what you'd spend years researching?