But yeah, what are your thoughts on this, Hannah?

Yeah, I think we kind of come back to when we were talking about Sky Sports Halo earlier this year and just...

The fact that people keep going in...

I think in this case we've talked about...

We think they might have known that the backlash was going to come and it was going to get people talking.

We didn't really get that with Sky Sports Halo.

It very much seemed like an earnest effort done terribly.

Does what she did necessarily need the platform that it's seeking for? I would say no.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean...

I think, I mean, it might just be me being like really anti-red roses anyway, but I think as much as England is by far the best team in the world right now, I think there are plenty of areas where there are supremely better players out there within the British Isles.

And I'm just like, I think that people say, a lot of the people saying England, It's just going to be Red Roses plus Aoife Wafer.

To me that reads as you only watch the Red Roses because I don't understand how someone could actually sit through and watch all of the Six Nations games and not just watch people get... destroyed by England and think it's just going to be England because objectively I don't think that's the case and I think we've also got to consider that there's another year almost until selections are being made and I mean, the thing with sport is that players can emerge in moments and then all of a sudden you've got this huge young star that no one's ever heard of.

Absolutely.

And I think we know that a lot of the youth bases in the British Isles are really strong for kind of bringing up young talents.

um and obviously on radio leicester as well i was asked about you know how happy i was with kind of gocha and bundy which may be a link that zoe knows that there's like coaching recruitments coming in i don't know um so yeah that's that's intriguing as well

Because obviously that was lacking in, in sort of previous seasons, I think.

Yeah.

And I think...

Pardon me.

I think it's a, a really good indic- indication because I think we kind of, we were sat here last season and we'd just had a huge influx of a lot of young signings or inexperienced signings, and we were kind of like, "Okay, so we're kind of working on development here." But we were not 100% sure on how that was going to follow through throughout the club.

But then, as you say, with under 23s who have been getting some really good results against Sale, actually, um, in recent weeks.

I think it's been nice to see that this kind of feel of development has been thought through and has been followed through, and this will hopefully continue on that, kind of getting the infrastructure in off the field to support the player development, which has been looking really strong.

I, I just, I feel sorry for her that with at Scotland and at Loughborough, she's, she's not always given the platform to kind of showcase the, the, the fly-half that, that she can be