So Hannah, what is it that changes that experience of pain from an acute pain scenario, which is normal and functional and protective, to a chronic pain situation which is pathological

yeah so I think that is you know one of the biggest area of research in terms of why for one person does this sometimes this pain experience develop into something more persistent and chronic and to be honest that's still a question that we really don't have a great answer for you know that we know that there are a lot of factors that kind of influence it.

There's a lot of things, we know that there are things like genetic predisposition that play into it.

We know that there are a lot of predisposing factors, but there's not one answer for why this happens to one person and not another.

But that being said, I think even though we don't have that really clear yes this is why it's happened we do actually understand what's happening in our pain system so much better than what we did previously and I would say even in the last sort of 10 years or so that kind of understanding of what's going on in our pain system that's causing this kind of chronicity and persistence of pain we understand that now and so even though so we can actually you know start to use that to do something about it.

So we know that we talked about over time, there's lots of different terms for it.

We're sort of moving towards a term of pain system hypersensitivity, but we know that our pain system becomes more sensitive and our pain system becomes overprotective.

What are our next steps? Where's the place for upregulating or uptitrating medication, introducing stronger medications? Where do we start doing more investigations?

I was going to ask that next, which is a great segue to what role then do communities or even just governments need to play, uh, you know, when having to try and support more of our women, you know, into becoming that next generation of Pacific leaders?

I think just creating the space, right, and, and creating the platforms that allow women to have a voice, but a voice in a way that is authentic to them, right? Some- There's- It's, it's one thing to create the space, but we have to do it in a way that is als- also traditional and culturally respectful and, and aware so that they feel comfortable, so that we can really be affirmative in our voice when we're representing our communities, when we're representing our families and our culture.

And I think, you know, um, government already plays a really healthy role in that, in creating that space, and it's gotta come from the community.

So I would ...

I'm a strong advocate for community-driven programs, right? So it's coming from the grassroots, right? That's, that's really important, and that's a key distinction when it comes to, uh, trying to make an impact.

It's gotta be relative.

It's gotta come from the grassroots.

And, and has there s- been a story of, of someone, you know, one of the women there that you've been working with who's just become a bit of a success, uh, through this program?