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Hank Taylor

Hank Taylor

Fractional CMO and marketing advisor for devtool startups; former VP of Marketing at Laravel and Vercel.

Aug 21, 2026

13:55
so we'll be able to, we'll be able to prove it
13:56
... and I've-- But I remember thinking about Clay like maybe a year and a half ago as it was really starting to hype up, and there are other tools like this.
14:04
Lovable, and a lot of these tools that were very AI forward, but for people who didn't, who aren't engineers.
14:16
So it's like giving a lot of the technical advantages that, and AI, and access to AI to non-technical people that non-technical people didn't have yet.
14:29
I say yet because I remember at the time I had a conversation with a friend about, "Okay, should we like get into this Clay thing?" And Clay has tried to make me an affiliate.
14:39
Like they know I'm a voice and I have influence and clients, and they're one of a few companies that's offered to pay me like interesting money.
14:48
But I'm like, "You know what? I just don't think it's sticky enough." So with Clay, what I've seen is a lot of the people who are really excited about it, they were just using the enrichment stuff, which is the most expensive form of enrichment.

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24:58
Classic.
59:57
So I'm always given like a little snippet of like, oh, you could have researched X amount
60:02
of charities and this amount of hours.
60:04
Yeah.
60:05
Some of my, so my estimate right now is that having your agent do research on one charity is between 15 and 50 cents.
60:19
Okay.
60:21
And that completes one quarter of the research needed now.
60:26
Well, let's say one third, even like the, Because the two upfront agents are the most expensive.

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71:16
office,

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