
Hank Taylor
Fractional CMO and marketing advisor for devtool startups; former VP of Marketing at Laravel and Vercel.
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Aug 21, 2026
Your RevOps Career Can’t Depend on a Tool
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Hank TaylorGUEST
... and I've-- But I remember thinking about Clay like maybe a year and a half ago as it was really starting to hype up, and there are other tools like this.

Hank TaylorGUEST
Lovable, and a lot of these tools that were very AI forward, but for people who didn't, who aren't engineers.

Hank TaylorGUEST
So it's like giving a lot of the technical advantages that, and AI, and access to AI to non-technical people that non-technical people didn't have yet.

Hank TaylorGUEST
I say yet because I remember at the time I had a conversation with a friend about, "Okay, should we like get into this Clay thing?" And Clay has tried to make me an affiliate.

Hank TaylorGUEST
Like they know I'm a voice and I have influence and clients, and they're one of a few companies that's offered to pay me like interesting money.

Hank TaylorGUEST
But I'm like, "You know what? I just don't think it's sticky enough." So with Clay, what I've seen is a lot of the people who are really excited about it, they were just using the enrichment stuff, which is the most expensive form of enrichment.
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S1E39: Burning the Midnight Tokens
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Josh CirreHOST
So I'm always given like a little snippet of like, oh, you could have researched X amount

Hank TaylorGUEST
Some of my, so my estimate right now is that having your agent do research on one charity is between 15 and 50 cents.

Hank TaylorGUEST
Well, let's say one third, even like the, Because the two upfront agents are the most expensive.
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