And also I talked to him about how the coverage could be different and where the hope lies going forward and his answer as always was just absolutely fascinating and I think a beautiful sentiment on which to end this episode but I also really really hope that there are some journalists listening to what he has to say

The conflict resolution I mean it doesn't happen normally that you will have complete peace after the war it will take time and Yes, of course, for the people in Gaza, I think it will take them a long time to go out of this trauma of what they experienced, because it's unbelievable.

I mean, I wouldn't start describing it because I cannot.

I tried many times and I always fail.

And I think that also goes to parts of the Israeli community, especially the families of the hostages and those who were the civilians who were killed because they It's extremely bad, and those people are with the trauma.

The same trauma that you can say happened to the Israeli society during the second intifada is being repeated again, maybe on a bigger scale.

It will take a long time, but as my father said, the sooner we start, the better for us.

How do we elevate the voices that are slightly more reasoned and maybe better read, maybe more insight, maybe a bit more understanding? How do we get those voices and, you know...

Objectivity is one of the most misunderstood words in newsrooms.

That moderate Palestinians need support to make their message here, to push them into the media, to push them into the algorithm, not to sit and watch this algorithm being radicalizing people.

And he talked to me about the algorithm and the likes of the Piers Morgans of the world and false binaries and the way that everyone needs to fit into a yes-no continuum.

It's, it's, it's, it's very much.

I mean, we are all, I think, being radicalized by the, the, the algorithm right now because neither me or you are living in Palestine or Israel, but nevertheless, we get radical because of what we see.

Go to, to, to shows like Piers Morgan, for example, who always brings the worst people on earth and interviews them and makes a fight on TV, which radicalizes people.

Go to TikTok, three minutes and you will be a Hamas member.

So it's, it's, the algorithm is extremely bad and it should be fought.