I also asked Hamza how he felt about that phrase and how he felt about it being used by an Australian activist in a foreign land.

I, I, I will go back to the word, actually, because I'm also an Arabic speaker, and, um, uh, for those who don't know, I s- uh, I, uh, I'm someone who's obsessed with languages.

So going to the word Intifada, because people, uh, say that they mean a, a, a revolution with it, and in the Arabic word, there is many synonyms for the, the word revolution, like thawra and, uh, other words, and the word Intifada is not known in the Arabic, uh, uh, glossary to be for, uh, for, for a peaceful resolution.

Yes, maybe the First Intifada did not have much violence, but the word is known for the Second Intifada.

I don't like this wokeness, uh, who want to define Arabic for me.

I studied Arabic for a long time, and I know what it means.

Some people, unfortunately, in the West, they don't know the history of the word, so they will just take it, go to Google Translate, "Oh yeah, it's revolution.

I also touched on the issue of the frustration of the binary and how we can break out of that binary and start talking with more than one truth and including a bit more nuance and how we can achieve that and whether he's been frustrated by the nature of the discourse.