One that stands out.

Well, the ones that are more memorable are the ones in person because there's much less of them.

And also they take longer and you're playing with a friend or somebody across the table.

Actually, I remember a funny one where...

This was a very long time ago, probably like 2004 or five.

And I was in Washington, D.C., and we were filming a video for a Walkman song.

And we had hired a local musician and songwriter guy named Ian Spanonius.

So then when did you start building chess boards? Uh,

Tell me more about that.

Well, my daughter is a very serious player, and, uh, she ne- constantly needs these rackets restrung.

And because I'm sort of a DIY, uh, cheap kinda guy, I, uh...

Actually, it's, it's not the money, it's the time.

When you, when you need a racket restrung, it usually ends up taking, like, minimum five days, and she needs two rackets, and, like, she needs to be constantly playing.

So it really became, like, a real problem to have to drive into, like, Midtown and pick up these rackets.

So I f- I was talking to her coach and he's like, "You know, if you get one of these electronic things, it's not, it's not rocket science." So it took, there was a learning curve, but now I do it.

... kind of folk guitar.

Now I'm gonna be 22

22I say, oh my and a, a boo-hoo.

And now I'm gonna be 22.

Oh my and a boo-hoo So my, uh, first impressions of Jane's Addiction, I always loved it, but I always knew in the back of my mind, like, okay, but they're using these chorus pedals that are sort of ridiculous, and they're using these...

You know, the, the drums are, are panned and have this funny tom tone that I'm not into, and it's sort of this overlay of garnish that is, is not really for me.

But then years later, I, I came to realize that, like, I g- I guess I sort of had, like, a kid's kind of purist view of music or something.

I realized how, what an incredible waste of time it was to even be thinking about that.

Hmm

I say oh my and a boo hoo And now I'm gonna be 22

So my first impression of Jane's Addiction, I always loved it, but I always knew in the back of my mind, like, okay, but they're using these chorus pedals that are sort of ridiculous.

And they're using these, you know, the drums are panned and have this funny tom tone that I'm not into.

And it's sort of this overlay of garnish that is not really for me.

But then years later, I came to realize that like, I guess I sort of had like a kid's kind of purist view of music or something, I realized what an incredible waste of time it was to even be thinking about that.

And if you like the guitar on Classic Girl and, you know, you like the guitar on Classic Girl, if you like the song, if it moves you, who the fuck cares what pedals he was using or how they recorded their drums? And that's their own thing.

And so it's sort of like, you know, and they go into flat out heavy metal in the end of three days.

And you can explain for listeners what went down, if you want.

Yeah.

And so we wrote...

But then we wrote two songs, and we wrote 'em really fast, and it was really fun.

And he felt the same way.

I mean, it was sort of amazing.

We had this song, "I Retired," and this song, "Alexandra," and they came out really fast.

And they're both in the same key and they have, like, basically the same chords, but we were like...

Yeah.